Comments on: Does Carbonite's unlimited backup storage include data on other drives? http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/ Daily resource for independent consumer information and service reviews Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:07:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Alan Weiner http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-31623 Alan Weiner Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:27:43 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-31623 David, I'm glad you're reading and responding here. I tried Carbonite, and have two 'stoppers' for me - the first is the issue here with external drives. I'm backing up to a drobo (*great* product!) so I'm pretty solidly covered for drive failures locally. But not for fire/theft/drobo-failure. So I want to back up my on-drobo files to online backup. Alas, drobo is an external drive... The other stopper is even more important to me: I have to specify each kind of file to back up. Oh, *horrors*!! What if I miss one, or some new product I install uses some new file extension and I forget to add it to the backups? I want to backup *everything* by default so I don't miss anything! Let me *remove* things from the backup (and it'd be fine for the installer to ask if I really want to back up *.tmp, ~*, *.bak, etc) Before anyone argues you'd have a million copies of Windows XP/Vista/7 backed up, if you've done the data storage right (uh, in my rather arrogant opinion of 'right'... :) you'd only have one copy of each file, and a million *references* to that one copy. I'll throw another drive internally and image the drobo onto it to satisfy the internal-only issue, but *please* let me set Carbonite to just plain back up everything! I really wanted to use Carbonite because you're local (I'm in Needham) but the risk of missing some obscure - but important - file because it's got some odd extension is just too much for me. David, I'm glad you're reading and responding here. I tried Carbonite, and have two 'stoppers' for me – the first is the issue here with external drives. I'm backing up to a drobo (*great* product!) so I'm pretty solidly covered for drive failures locally. But not for fire/theft/drobo-failure. So I want to back up my on-drobo files to online backup. Alas, drobo is an external drive…

The other stopper is even more important to me: I have to specify each kind of file to back up. Oh, *horrors*!! What if I miss one, or some new product I install uses some new file extension and I forget to add it to the backups? I want to backup *everything* by default so I don't miss anything! Let me *remove* things from the backup (and it'd be fine for the installer to ask if I really want to back up *.tmp, ~*, *.bak, etc)

Before anyone argues you'd have a million copies of Windows XP/Vista/7 backed up, if you've done the data storage right (uh, in my rather arrogant opinion of 'right'… :) you'd only have one copy of each file, and a million *references* to that one copy.

I'll throw another drive internally and image the drobo onto it to satisfy the internal-only issue, but *please* let me set Carbonite to just plain back up everything!

I really wanted to use Carbonite because you're local (I'm in Needham) but the risk of missing some obscure – but important – file because it's got some odd extension is just too much for me.

]]> By: Jeff Brenner http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-31275 Jeff Brenner Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:51:41 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-31275 David, I understand your general argument against archiving, and I fully understand that your system could be flooded by users with large server farms who try to back up everything for a (low) fixed fee. However, I recently bought a 1 TB drive to add to my system, as a "local" backup drive, and your "rules" seem to say that if I had bought an internal drive, Carbonite would back it up, but because I chose to buy a USB drive, Carbonite will not. Clearly, this makes little sense. It seems to me that you would be better to distinguish "archiving" from "backup" by function, not by drive configuration. It seems like this should mean that backed up files should "disappear" from the Carbonite servers, within a certain time (a week? a month?) after they disappear from the local drives. This is what Mozy does, although I find that their system is still very buggy. What I do is use the 1 TB drive as a LOCAL BACKUP, which is done incrementally every night. What I want to use the unlimited Carbonite (or Mozy) for is to create an off-site backup of the "LOCAL BACKUP drive", not my "used all the time drive". If disaster happened to my "LOCAL BACK drive", and I had a fixed time period (a week? a month?) to restore IT from the off-site service, that would be more than enough. My real purpose in having off-site backup is to protect myself against a fire or other home disaster when I am away. My local backup takes care of inadvertent deletions and hard-disk failures. As to Dalton's comment of July 13, 2009, I kniow that Carbonite keeps the files after they disappear from the local drive. Dalton, if you look at the info on the Carbonite virtual drive, you will see that such files remain there, but are flagged with a message to the effect that "the original file has been deleted". I try to clean up my Carbonite virtual drive by deleting those files, although I confess that I am not as dilligent as I could be! David, I understand your general argument against archiving, and I fully understand that your system could be flooded by users with large server farms who try to back up everything for a (low) fixed fee. However, I recently bought a 1 TB drive to add to my system, as a "local" backup drive, and your "rules" seem to say that if I had bought an internal drive, Carbonite would back it up, but because I chose to buy a USB drive, Carbonite will not. Clearly, this makes little sense.

It seems to me that you would be better to distinguish "archiving" from "backup" by function, not by drive configuration. It seems like this should mean that backed up files should "disappear" from the Carbonite servers, within a certain time (a week? a month?) after they disappear from the local drives. This is what Mozy does, although I find that their system is still very buggy.

What I do is use the 1 TB drive as a LOCAL BACKUP, which is done incrementally every night. What I want to use the unlimited Carbonite (or Mozy) for is to create an off-site backup of the "LOCAL BACKUP drive", not my "used all the time drive". If disaster happened to my "LOCAL BACK drive", and I had a fixed time period (a week? a month?) to restore IT from the off-site service, that would be more than enough. My real purpose in having off-site backup is to protect myself against a fire or other home disaster when I am away. My local backup takes care of inadvertent deletions and hard-disk failures.

As to Dalton's comment of July 13, 2009, I kniow that Carbonite keeps the files after they disappear from the local drive. Dalton, if you look at the info on the Carbonite virtual drive, you will see that such files remain there, but are flagged with a message to the effect that "the original file has been deleted". I try to clean up my Carbonite virtual drive by deleting those files, although I confess that I am not as dilligent as I could be!

]]> By: Dalton http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-31248 Dalton Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:34:39 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-31248 David, you made this statement: "When you delete data from your PC, it gets deleted from the backup." Am I missing something? Isnt that what data back-up is supposed to protect against? If I accidentally delete data or if a drive dies, would Carbonite assume I purposefully deleted it? I understand not backing up network drives as it opens you to be backing up entire office networks, but the statements above are a little concerning. David, you made this statement:

"When you delete data from your PC, it gets deleted from the backup."

Am I missing something? Isnt that what data back-up is supposed to protect against? If I accidentally delete data or if a drive dies, would Carbonite assume I purposefully deleted it?

I understand not backing up network drives as it opens you to be backing up entire office networks, but the statements above are a little concerning.

]]> By: David Friend http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-30943 David Friend Fri, 15 May 2009 14:21:11 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-30943 Alex: That’s correct, we don’t back up external drives. The problem is that external drives are not always connected to your computer. Carbonite is a backup service, not archiving. People who do archiving charge by the GB, not unlimited. When you delete data from your PC, it gets deleted from the backup. When you unplug your external hard drive, are we to assume that you no longer want that data and is it ok for us to delete it? If not, how long are we supposed to keep it? If the answer is “forever,” then it turns us into an archiving service. In a few months we will have a version of Carbonite that will back up external drives and network drives, but it won’t be unlimited for a fixed price. Dave Friend, CEO Carbonite, Inc. David Friend | Chairman & CEO Carbonite, Inc. 334 Boylston St., Boston, MA 02116 617-587-1110 Alex: That’s correct, we don’t back up external drives. The problem is that external drives are not always connected to your computer. Carbonite is a backup service, not archiving. People who do archiving charge by the GB, not unlimited. When you delete data from your PC, it gets deleted from the backup. When you unplug your external hard drive, are we to assume that you no longer want that data and is it ok for us to delete it? If not, how long are we supposed to keep it? If the answer is “forever,” then it turns us into an archiving service. In a few months we will have a version of Carbonite that will back up external drives and network drives, but it won’t be unlimited for a fixed price.

Dave Friend, CEO

Carbonite, Inc.

David Friend | Chairman & CEO

Carbonite, Inc.

334 Boylston St., Boston, MA 02116

617-587-1110

]]> By: Alex McLeod http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-30877 Alex McLeod Sun, 03 May 2009 15:34:06 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-30877 I agree with Jimmy. I did a Carbonite trial and was disappointed that the progam would not backup my external hard drive. I emailed Carbonite and was told at this time they do not support external drives. I agree with Jimmy. I did a Carbonite trial and was disappointed that the progam would not backup my external hard drive. I emailed Carbonite and was told at this time they do not support external drives.

]]> By: Jimmy http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2009/04/20/does-carbonites-unlimited-backup-storage-include-data-on-other-drives/comment-page-1/#comment-30769 Jimmy Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:41:03 +0000 http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/?p=1799#comment-30769 I beg to differ with your response to Caitlin's post of 2009-04-20, regarding Carbonite backup of external hard drives. Carbonite will only back up *internal* (IDE or SATA) hard drives. I have an external USB hard drive, and Carbonite won't back up anything that's on it. I beg to differ with your response to Caitlin's post of 2009-04-20, regarding Carbonite backup of external hard drives.
Carbonite will only back up *internal* (IDE or SATA) hard drives. I have an external USB hard drive, and Carbonite won't back up anything that's on it.

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